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Title: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Karius on March 16, 2022, 12:21:20 pm
Lately I've noticed that I actually hold a lot of strong opinions about personal websites, and I was wondering if anyone else has common trends on Neocities (for example) as pet peeves. I'm interested because coding is a passion and I like hearing people's opinions... that being said, don't see my own as things that are inherently bad, your website should be coded however you feel most comfortable!

Anyways, mine are:


Anyways, I'll get off my soapbox now. I tried to add solutions to my pet peeves, hopefully you can gather some use out of my tips!

- Alastor
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Melooon on March 16, 2022, 02:16:57 pm
Oh no, I have lots, possibly more than I should admit :-X

A big one is sites that depend 100% on Javascript to load content (unless they are actually a JavaScript game or world). Also inline styling <body background="red"> etc unless there is a veryyyy good reason for it!

Iv also been on Neocities for a long while, so there are some things Iv seen too many times. For example joke 90s sites kinda annoy me now, even though my site started like that too. People are at different stages in their web dev journey so I try to give people a lot of leeway in my mind for a lot of things.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Karius on March 16, 2022, 06:03:53 pm
Oh no, I have lots, possibly more than I should admit :-X

A big one is sites that depend 100% on Javascript to load content (unless they are actually a JavaScript game or world). Also inline styling <body background="red"> etc unless there is a veryyyy good reason for it!

Iv also been on Neocities for a long while, so there are some things Iv seen too many times. For example joke 90s sites kinda annoy me now, even though my site started like that too. People are at different stages in their web dev journey so I try to give people a lot of leeway in my mind for a lot of things.

I gotta agree with you with the overdone joke websites... still better than using Neocities as an alternative to Carrd IMO, but both of those kinds of websites annoy me. They kinda defeat the whole "personal web" aspect of maintaining a website, y'know? Especially the Carrd ones... at least joke websites can be done well.

- Alastor
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: fLaMEd on March 19, 2022, 07:35:10 am
I definitely agree with the overuse of graphics and non semantic HTML.
Trying to do something in the most complicated way possible.
Crazy backgrounds with crazy text so that you can't read it.
Pages with no content. The same content.

I whole heatedly believe that it's possible to create a personal space on the web without making it an un-accessible nightmare.

HTML/CSS has come a long way over the 30 years or so that it's been in use.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: easy_breezy on March 21, 2022, 12:37:26 am
Oh boy, here we go:


Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: lulu on March 26, 2022, 11:05:31 pm
All caps/all lowercase: Terrible for screen readers, especially the former. I would suggest doing something with the "text-transform" property on your CSS instead of actually typing like that.

oops, i do this. Oops, I do this  :eyes: I'm a weirdo who likes the symmetry of lowercase letters, which is probably a Wrong Opinion, and a dumb excuse to break rules. I'm working on sucking it up, and text-transform is a happy medium that somehow never crossed my mind. I hate to admit that I didn't think about screen readers for a long time, since I've never had to experience the web with one. It's something I think about now, but I guess I have a lot to learn.

I don't have too many pet peeves, but some sites do kinda feel more like 1990s roleplay. I'm not very interested in those, but I still support people having fun being webmasters. Whatever gets the kids off TikTok.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: cinni on March 27, 2022, 01:34:55 am
All caps/all lowercase: Terrible for screen readers, especially the former. I would suggest doing something with the "text-transform" property on your CSS instead of actually typing like that.

oops, i do this. Oops, I do this  :eyes: I'm a weirdo who likes the symmetry of lowercase letters, which is probably a Wrong Opinion, and a dumb excuse to break rules. I'm working on sucking it up, and text-transform is a happy medium that somehow never crossed my mind. I hate to admit that I didn't think about screen readers for a long time, since I've never had to experience the web with one. It's something I think about now, but I guess I have a lot to learn.

I don't have too many pet peeves, but some sites do kinda feel more like 1990s roleplay. I'm not very interested in those, but I still support people having fun being webmasters. Whatever gets the kids off TikTok.

oy same!! i never thought of using text-transform for all lower case (i use it for things like titles/headers i want to be in all caps haha). i normally type in all lowercase by default but there are times i would want to Emphasize certain words so i apologize to everyone with screen readers in advance. ;-; i will certainly keep this in mind tho for my more professional/community orientated sites!

Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Karius on March 27, 2022, 12:29:22 pm
@lulu @cinni

Well, I'm glad I could offer some insight! We actually really like the look of all-caps/all-lowercase in some areas myself, but we avoid typing like that now. I highly recommend trying out a screen reader for yourself just to test out the way it works with your site. We've been meaning to do that, especially now that I'm using Iframes again (they're not inherently bad, we just need to make sure they make sense when being read).

- Alastor
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Gans on April 27, 2022, 09:02:13 pm
Having low-colour images without optimising the file size.
To be honest, most pages on Neocities fall short on this. Call themselves "retro", "old style", from the "yesterday's web", but completly forget about optimising file sizes for the machine's of yesterday! The actual HTML code is irrelevant in this case, it's about the images, that take a lot of space and can take time to load.
Without much/any quality loss, you could transform a low-colour 180 KB PNG to 60 KB. Just convert the image to 256 colours. Or even 128, or even 64... (with GraphicsGale for example).
And that's the difference between loading immediately or loading scrappy on a bad mobile connection or on an old computer.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Karius on April 28, 2022, 06:53:47 pm
Having low-colour images without optimising the file size.
To be honest, most pages on Neocities fall short on this. Call themselves "retro", "old style", from the "yesterday's web", but completly forget about optimising file sizes for the machine's of yesterday! The actual HTML code is irrelevant in this case, it's about the images, that take a lot of space and can take time to load.
Without much/any quality loss, you could transform a low-colour 180 KB PNG to 60 KB. Just convert the image to 256 colours. Or even 128, or even 64... (with GraphicsGale for example).
And that's the difference between loading immediately or loading scrappy on a bad mobile connection or on an old computer.

I should probably start doing this, ahah... Thanks for bringing this up!
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Obspogon on April 29, 2022, 02:25:44 am
when the font size is too small
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: fLaMEd on May 01, 2022, 11:07:20 am
when the font size is too small

yeah this kills me ><
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: xX_irkeneonz_Xx on May 01, 2022, 03:10:34 pm
I don't care about design half the time but what does peeve me off are people who try to bring social media drama onto their personal sites
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Neonriser on May 05, 2022, 04:20:43 am
It really grinds my gears when the text blends in too well with the background, making it hard for me to read.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Melooon on May 15, 2022, 01:02:41 pm
Oh a big one I thought though of; scrolling badge sections! Where people have their site badges in a marquee, so you have to sit there and wait in order to see all the sites badges they have. I think that's really disrespectful because it makes it so much harder for people to see the badges; its a bit like saying "I don't really care about these badges I just have them as decoration"
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Karius on May 15, 2022, 04:13:14 pm
Oh a big one I thought though of; scrolling badge sections! Where people have their site badges in a marquee, so you have to sit there and wait in order to see all the sites badges they have. I think that's really disrespectful because it makes it so much harder for people to see the badges; its a bit like saying "I don't really care about these badges I just have them as decoration"

Oof, gotta agree with this one. Especially if they get faster as you hover... like, what's the point of having buttons anymore?!
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Eldridge_Jameson on May 27, 2022, 05:43:26 pm
Websites that almost exclusively bright graphics for everything is bad for when I'm viewing it at night

I'm kind of the opposite- bright and calm aesthetics are fine, but if a site has super dark graphics exclusively, it bums me out.

Quick flashing lights bother me, as well; I'm not seizure-prone, but it just strains my eyes. I can stare at a white screen on my 90-brightness monitor all day, but if it started flashing between white and light grey, I'm out.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Kitchen Staff on June 07, 2022, 01:29:36 am
A list of pet peeves that I have
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: creaturefeature on June 13, 2022, 10:42:16 pm
Mine is Autoplay...

It can get kind of annoying when I´m listening to music/podcast and then I open this site and it blares music.

Like just make it optional. you don´t need autoplay.



Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Pepyogurt on June 20, 2022, 11:36:55 am
Mine is Autoplay...

It can get kind of annoying when I´m listening to music/podcast and then I open this site and it blares music.

Like just make it optional. you don´t need autoplay.

As a Firefox user, there's an additional annoyance when it comes to this sort of thing. Firefox has a feature that automatically disables things like autoplay, so when a site suddenly starts playing music when I haven't allowed it to, it throws me into a bit of confusion.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Jollyswoosh on July 06, 2022, 03:08:01 am
I haven't seen anyone mention this and I do love a little rant, so I'd like to add: Links to the webmaster's social media, especially if those links are on the homepage.

At least in web revival circles, I didn't come to someone's personal website to get directed back out to instagram or the like. I get why people do it -- a lot of people have the majority of their backlog and following on various social media sites. It makes sense to just say "Hey, there's a lot more of the things I've made on these other sites" rather than repost it. But still.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: TheFrugalGamer on July 10, 2022, 08:57:08 pm
This one is thankfully not nearly as popular as it used to be, but anytime people use right-click disable scripts or put rants in their pages about not right-clicking things. It doesn't prevent bad actors from taking things, it just makes things difficult for everyone else!!!!
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: Kutan on July 10, 2022, 09:50:07 pm
This one is thankfully not nearly as popular as it used to be, but anytime people use right-click disable scripts or put rants in their pages about not right-clicking things. It doesn't prevent bad actors from taking things, it just makes things difficult for everyone else!!!!
Oh man, I forgot all about that! I remember the trick I learned as a kid was "press enter on the keyboard while still holding down the right mouse button" to be a HACKERMAN and get the context menu to appear. It didn't stop us even as tiny tots! And I just remember wanting to, like, save cool pokemon gifs and stuff, it wasn't for use on my own website or anything. How silly that it became so prevalent!
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: /home/user/ on July 10, 2022, 10:44:08 pm
I don't like it if a website goes 100% width. It just looks so uncomfortable to read and all the lines get really long! I prefer it if it flexes across my screen to cover only 60% in the center or so.
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: cinni on July 10, 2022, 10:53:05 pm
This one is thankfully not nearly as popular as it used to be, but anytime people use right-click disable scripts or put rants in their pages about not right-clicking things. It doesn't prevent bad actors from taking things, it just makes things difficult for everyone else!!!!
Oh man, I forgot all about that! I remember the trick I learned as a kid was "press enter on the keyboard while still holding down the right mouse button" to be a HACKERMAN and get the context menu to appear. It didn't stop us even as tiny tots! And I just remember wanting to, like, save cool pokemon gifs and stuff, it wasn't for use on my own website or anything. How silly that it became so prevalent!

oh YES this annoys me a lot loll. i saw a website recently that had a page of adoptables with links to their original sites but i tried to right click>open in new tab (pls use target="_blank" ppl..) and got hit with a "no stealing!!! go to the original source : )" hahaha like thanks im TRYING *presses ctrl+u*
Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: wris on July 21, 2022, 09:32:47 am
If you're gonna join a web ring, please don't remove the web ring links from your site without getting yourself removed from the list!

It's a drag to realise that both of your immediate neighbours have basically cut you off from the rest of the ring.

Title: Re: Does anyone have personal website pet peeves?
Post by: ol1vi4s-corner on July 24, 2022, 03:42:57 pm
super loud autoplay music that doesn't have a pause button... im okay if you can stop it but if not, its just a pain in the ass